Guest Buxtonian Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Being Irish myself, I find this incredibly hard to believe. Only reason I can see him not being picked is that his last full international for Ireland, he conceded 6 against Germany. None were his fault though. If this keeps up, I would retire if I was him. Unfortunately this happens to the best. I well remember England playing France in France. With the improperly adjusted floodlights almost blinding him, and a clot like Jack Charlton picked in preference to a magnificent, in his prime, Peter Swan, in front of him, the one and only Ron Springett let in either five or six, I forget which.Despite being way the best GK in England at the timr,he never played for England again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Martin o Neil is clearly going senile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themaskedowl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Martin o Neil is clearly going senileHappens to the best of umbilical hernia, toast, pork, gravy n greens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I have no idea what your saying right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandOwl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Heres me thinking it was Dielnas fault They were both at fault IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themaskedowl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ya. That was kinda the point. I mean, damn phone autocorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveyboy66 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ordered mine this morning...better start saving for Thailand pre-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wexowl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Unfortunately this happens to the best. I well remember England playing France in France. With the improperly adjusted floodlights almost blinding him, and a clot like Jack Charlton picked in preference to a magnificent, in his prime, Peter Swan, in front of him, the one and only Ron Springett let in either five or six, I forget which.Despite being way the best GK in England at the timr,he never played for England again. Buxton being a bit pedantic here (or even completely wrong) but i think RS played against Austria in a pre World Cup friendly 1966.Also that French game was played in that awful year of bad weather and Springett hadn't played for 5/6 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themaskedowl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Ordered mine this morning...better start saving for Thailand pre-seasonYou've ordered your own Westwood? Check the invoice again Davey. Does it say Wedgewood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 O'neil is a footballing dinosaur, still living off past achievements at Leicester and Celtic. He's picked Given and Forde because they are the status quo and more senior than Westwood. If it was based on form and appearances then there would only be one person between the sticks for Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 O'neil is a footballing dinosaur, still living off past achievements at Leicester and Celtic. He's picked Given and Forde because they are the status quo and more senior than Westwood. If it was based on form and appearances then there would only be one person between the sticks for Ireland. I don't understand comments like he's a footballing dinosaur and living off achievements at Leicester and Celtic. Look at his career before and how good a job he did at Wycombe. Then when he took the Villa job he finished 6th 3 seasons in a row and they were playing damn good football. He leaves and look where they have been the past few years, relegation threatened. He then goes to Sunderland and keeps em up when they were in the poo , finishes 13th. Then admittedly gets the sack at the end of the season after but Sunderland weren't in the relegation zone when he did. Pretty much everywhere he's been over a 20 year period he's done a very good job. Don't get me wrong I think his decision not to play Westwood is bizarre, but there is no doubting his cv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlZfan84 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I don't understand comments like he's a footballing dinosaur and living off achievements at Leicester and Celtic. Look at his career before and how good a job he did at Wycombe. Then when he took the Villa job he finished 6th 3 seasons in a row and they were playing damn good football. He leaves and look where they have been the past few years, relegation threatened. He then goes to Sunderland and keeps em up when they were in the poo , finishes 13th. Then admittedly gets the sack at the end of the season after but Sunderland weren't in the relegation zone when he did. Pretty much everywhere he's been over a 20 year period he's done a very good job. Don't get me wrong I think his decision not to play Westwood is bizarre, but there is no doubting his cv. Cheers Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 O'neill achieved villas 6th place finishes by spending so much money, and accruing so many losses, villas owner effectively withdrew his money. They are where they are now because of O'neill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Most of the International managers scouting work is done in front of the TV box or in the Prem. Championship and 1st division scouting is very low down on the list of priorities. Westwoods manager, Gray is his best advocate and I would be surprised if he hasn't brought Westwood to O'Neils notice regarding his capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last_Great_Hope Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Most of the International managers scouting work is done in front of the TV box or in the Prem. Championship and 1st division scouting is very low down on the list of priorities. Westwoods manager, Gray is his best advocate and I would be surprised if he hasn't brought Westwood to O'Neils notice regarding his capabilities. Except Forde is playing for Millwall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hack-Abusi Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Westwood should be first choice for Ireland. Miles better than Forde, and in some great form Given is class but he's nearing 40!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damianb1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jennings was Northern Ireland, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Unfortunately this happens to the best. I well remember England playing France in France. With the improperly adjusted floodlights almost blinding him, and a clot like Jack Charlton picked in preference to a magnificent, in his prime, Peter Swan, in front of him, the one and only Ron Springett let in either five or six, I forget which.Despite being way the best GK in England at the timr,he never played for England again. charlton didnt play it was brian labone at centre half who to be fair was probably better than swan ,certainly in the opinion of harry catterick who was going to come back and sign swan until he realised how good labone was .......as for springett like someone else said he hadnt played for 5-6 weeks and was a bit rusty & at fault for 2 of the goals .yes was probably unlucky to lose his place but his successor again was certainly better . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Fessi Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Strange how highly Westwood is rated here but not even in the picture for the no.1 in the International Team, makes you wonder how much better some of these International sides could actually be. Westwood is one of the best keepers in the league there's no question, it's strange why Forde is considered "better" than he is, can't really argue when it comes to Given, the man's a legend in that Irish team he'll be hard to drop unless he actually retires, no matter how often he plays.. Only downside to this is Westwood wanting a move to play on a higher level to get the no.1 when Given retires... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MallorcaOwl Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 charlton didnt play it was brian labone at centre half who to be fair was probably better than swan ,certainly in the opinion of harry catterick who was going to come back and sign swan until he realised how good labone was .......as for springett like someone else said he hadnt played for 5-6 weeks and was a bit rusty & at fault for 2 of the goals .yes was probably unlucky to lose his place but his successor again was certainly better . Brian Labone was unlucky not to get more England caps, he was a one club man, he went through his career without ever being booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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