sweetsheri Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think it was me who said the "cant" is still the best stand in the country. That's what we all called it growing up...it was always the cant! I'm not really worried what is said on snort beast forums. Back to serious matter... Regarding 1m budget for a new surface and drainage, if we are spending that much then we'd better get a good team of ground staff, pointless otherwise. I think what we have now is a team of gardeners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) surely there can't be only one company that does Desso pitches? Desso or Dessosports is the company name so they might be the only company doing it if they've got the system patented. There may be other companies doing something similar. I don't think Desso necessarily have to do the preliminary work of new drainage & under soil heating. That can be done by local specialists Edited March 13, 2015 by mogbad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think it was me who said the "cant" is still the best stand in the country. That's what we all called it growing up...it was always the cant! I'm not really worried what is said on snort beast forums. Back to serious matter... Regarding 1m budget for a new surface and drainage, if we are spending that much then we'd better get a good team of ground staff, pointless otherwise. I think what we have now is a team of gardeners Bit harsh seeing as it's rumoured that our budget for pitch maintenance was zilch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys left peg Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Desso or Dessosports is the company name so they might be the only company doing it if they've got the system patented. There may be other companies doing something similar. I don't think Desso necessarily have to do the preliminary work of new drainage & under soil heating. That can be done by local specialistsExactly thisI'm sure Desso only come and do their bit when the grass has started to grow, (although they maybe have other input)the groundwork can be done by other specialists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taximark Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Charltons pitch at the Valley had major problems last season, in fact it was almost the exact same as ours, their drains had collapsed and it caused flooding with only slight rain because the water couldn't escape, which begs the question where is our water going if our drains are buggered though? also are we replacing the under soil heating as well or is that in perfect working order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totemowl Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Charltons pitch at the Valley had major problems last season, in fact it was almost the exact same as ours, their drains had collapsed and it caused flooding with only slight rain because the water couldn't escape, which begs the question where is our water going if our drains are buggered though? also are we replacing the under soil heating as well or is that in perfect working order? The top 6 feet are replaced as I understand it. So that includes drainage, heating etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totemowl Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Exactly this I'm sure Desso only come and do their bit when the grass has started to grow, (although they maybe have other input)the groundwork can be done by other specialists The system - grass, underlays, underpinnings, etc - is their design and their product. That's what they deliver, but they might use subcontractors to install it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totemowl Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Here wi go Installation of hybrid grass pitches Installation of a top-level pitch: a job for specialists Reinforcing natural grass with synthetic fibres is a technique patented by Desso Sports Systems. Our experts have installed more than 450 reinforced natural grass pitches around the world. For the underlayer, we only work with certified partners that have been selected rigorously. Installing a hybrid grass pitch: step by step Step 1: Bespoke pitch design Put together an installation team (hybrid grass specialist, local grass expert, external advisors, club owner, etc.) Define requirements (climate, architecture, use intensity, applications, etc.) Step 2: Prepare the underlayer Excavate the ground layer and install the drainage system Lay down the top layer of sand (enriched with compost) Step 3: Seed the natural grass Select the grass varieties and seed in consultation with local experts If necessary, using sod (rather than grass seeds) can be used to accelerate the installation process Step 4: Inject synthetic fibres Computer-driven Desso machines inject 20 million artificial turf fibres 20 cm deep into the pitch 1 artificial turf fibre every 2 by 2 cm, maximum fibre height above the ground is 2 cm Step 4 can also be schedule prior to step 3 Step 5: Symbiosis between natural grass and artificial turf Natural grass roots intertwine with the synthetic fibres and grow deeper Anchoring the natural grass to create a level, firm, and stable playing field The result: a structural, long-lasting improvement of your sport pitch. #dessograssmaster From desso's site. Edited March 13, 2015 by totemowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 There's a desso grassmaster pitch at uclan in preston where my daughter does athletics. Something's gone horribly wrong with it because there isn't a blade of grass in sight! Just a green haze of fine plastic fibres. And it's rock hard to walk on, like concrete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Bit harsh seeing as it's rumoured that our budget for pitch maintenance was zilch It was zilch 3 years ago and pitch looked great. Then our groundsman walked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoop Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 If we are having trouble with our drainage and the water can't get away, why don't they just turn the undersoil heating to max and evaporate it away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GY-owl.4 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 If we are having trouble with our drainage and the water can't get away, why don't they just turn the undersoil heating to max and evaporate it away? not sure our heating/drainage worked from the very start..... didnt an ex groundsman do an interview on football heaven where he said as much!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Charltons pitch at the Valley had major problems last season, in fact it was almost the exact same as ours, their drains had collapsed and it caused flooding with only slight rain because the water couldn't escape, which begs the question where is our water going if our drains are buggered though? also are we replacing the under soil heating as well or is that in perfect working order? I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in another thread that the under soil heating was either not working or not working as efficiently as it was when first installed. Makes sense to renew it if we're digging the lot up anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsheri Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in another thread that the under soil heating was either not working or not working as efficiently as it was when first installed. Makes sense to renew it if we're digging the lot up anyway. Even if it was working it's not designed to dry up water like a sponge! It there to hear the top layer of soil to prevent it from freezing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totemowl Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 not sure our heating/drainage worked from the very start..... didnt an ex groundsman do an interview on football heaven where he said as much!? Yep. One or the other. The other was effectively wiped out by the flood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themaskedowl Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 A few goals from open play and a home win Oh you and your obsession with scoring goals to win matches...oh hang about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Oh you and your obsession with scoring goals to win matches...oh hang aboutI know fancy that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryBell Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 In the past, Hillsborough has had some shocking playing surfaces. I recall the 1969 semi (Leicester v God knows who) when it was basically a sand pit. But in those days, most grounds after late october were a skid mark from goalmouth to goalmouth and by February the grass had given up completely. Different now, I'm afraid. The world has moved on and we have fallen way behind the curve and have a lot of work to do. Sports Turf Research Institute (Bingley, West Yorks) are the acknowledged experts. We need to get them in PDQ. It wasn't always so. At one time, we used to have a playing surface that was the envy of most and the current lamentable state of the pitch is an embarrassment, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlicer Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Im absolutely perplexed at how this works! When the grass is cut does it not cut the artificial turf as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogbad Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Im absolutely perplexed at how this works! When the grass is cut does it not cut the artificial turf as well? No I think the artificial fibres are injected to leave them about 2cm above the surface whearas the natural grass is cut to a length of 4 or 5cm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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