Guest bulkoowl Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 The talk of Bolton read what it says on SSN They own the ground ,hotel,arena and academy ground which all fetch extra revenue in. May be in debt and have low attendences but i bet there weekly turnover is better than ours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Johnbloodaxe Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 You need a hell of a turnover and margin to service £140mm debt!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 We would average between 32 and 36 thousand in the premier league, minimum. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in for a shock if we ever get there again. As for why nobody buys us or wants us, location could be a factor, as could an ageing stadium. I can't see much else really if the inquest is truly not an issue. The thing is though, I reckon Hillsborough could be brought 'up to code' should somebody see the potential. anyway we've got a stadium way better than the pigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Our potential is getting smaller each year as Sheffield's reputation as a big city is. Sheffield is so far behind other cities in the North that it is no longer seen as one of the big boys. Sheffield is now just been used a dumping ground for the poor from London judging by the increasing number of Cockney Accents in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightace Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 MM is asking too much. FFP lowers any investors chance of getting us up if they cant buy their way to the premier league anymore. I dont believe its because of the Liverpool business or because Sheffield is crap.Which it isn't imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffjohnsonmyhero Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 For years it was the complicated ownership and shares issues. Now its because milan wants 40 million for us. 40 million then build a new west stand north stand needs a makeover ,Kop needs work so unrestricted view ,so at least another 20 million Milan aint going to get 40 million for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppers Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 1. Historically we had fragmented ownership 2. The fans as a demographic are not as wealthy as others so don't spend as much 3. The corporate customer base is limited relative to larger cities. 4. Milan wants too much for a loss making business 5. The further investment required is large 6. Football is more often than not a bad investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS5swfc Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 If MM died who'd own us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffed Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 Aren't we owned by Mandaric Family Holdings or summit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 We need a chairman with ambition and a club with a plan. We say it's money and yes any capital expenditure on developing Hillsborough or moving is clearly a big barrier at present. However, Hillsborough is too big for us and always has been - it was designed for two international tournaments not to satisfy the actual demand. The capacity has always suppressed season ticket sales as people know they can choose games and simply turn up 100% of games and get a seat. We have in recent years just fluctuated between say 12K & 16k season ticket holders irrespective on how we're doing. This means we probably have one of the largest 'part time' support in the country. The fans that do turn up spend little at the ground because the product is laughable. My view is we need to move to the Don Valley and look at some multi-lesuire development partnership, where we don't have any ownership of the ground. We would use the sale money for Hillsborough as a deposit/contribution and use improved revenue streams to fund the rent. Fans could then have a 'match-day' experience with brand names for food, cinemas, shopping in the direct vicinity - they would visit the 'ground' between 1200 and 2300 and use it as a wider family experience. If we don't move into the new model experience we'll get even more left behind, the ground will become more dilapidated, the fans more disgruntled and attendances drop and the next generation won't get the 'bug', and the club less likely to find a buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewowl Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 We need a chairman with ambition and a club with a plan. We say it's money and yes any capital expenditure on developing Hillsborough or moving is clearly a big barrier at present. However, Hillsborough is too big for us and always has been - it was designed for two international tournaments not to satisfy the actual demand. The capacity has always suppressed season ticket sales as people know they can choose games and simply turn up 100% of games and get a seat. We have in recent years just fluctuated between say 12K & 16k season ticket holders irrespective on how we're doing. This means we probably have one of the largest 'part time' support in the country. The fans that do turn up spend little at the ground because the product is laughable. My view is we need to move to the Don Valley and look at some multi-lesuire development partnership, where we don't have any ownership of the ground. We would use the sale money for Hillsborough as a deposit/contribution and use improved revenue streams to fund the rent. Fans could then have a 'match-day' experience with brand names for food, cinemas, shopping in the direct vicinity - they would visit the 'ground' between 1200 and 2300 and use it as a wider family experience. If we don't move into the new model experience we'll get even more left behind, the ground will become more dilapidated, the fans more disgruntled and attendances drop and the next generation won't get the 'bug', and the club less likely to find a buyer. Good points there mate, but if I may turn it on its head slightly, the club could look into buying the Wednesdayite car park and the derelict land behind it Yes it will cost a few million I know, but sort the land, build on the front and down one side a food hall type building with concessions inside, and a pub maybe? This is something that can be utilised on non match days as well; in turn this will give the club an extra revenue stream, and there is no need to move into a ground we will never own. It will improve the area around the ground, and in turn could attract a buyer and investors/sponsors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Horse Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 So the findings so far all point to a simple solution - we just relocate to London. The Edgware Owls. Money spinning derbies with Spurs and Arsenal. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanye West Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Not sure how many people read the sun, but there's a small bit that said this week we were going to be taken over by Ukrainians but it failed due to legal reasons - or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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