archieswfc Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Never saw Chris Woods as a great 'keeper, despite him being a good shot stopper he was suspect on crosses. A poor keeper imo. Lacked guts and bottle. Always let us down in big games and lost us the fa cup. Not to mention getting us knocked out of the league cup as holders when he shied away from shearer and potentially losing us the league in 92 with his long list of foook ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There's a degree of revisionism working against Woods. What's this 'long list of foook ups' in '92? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieswfc Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There's a degree of revisionism working against Woods. What's this 'long list of foook ups' in '92? Watch the season review. I watched it a few years ago and couldn't believe how many points he cost us. Can't remember off top of my head. Palace springs to mind and possibly villa but like I said it's a while since i watched it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I know that season review probably word-for-word. We won 4-1 at home against Palace and Mark Bright scored a lob at Selhurst Park which Woods could do nothing about. Villa at home he flapped a a bit at a cross - although possibly also stopped a near-post header going in with NO marking whatsoever - and then saved a one-on-one only or the rebound to be put in, and couldn't do anything about the third. The only massive howler I can recall from that season was unfortunately for Bobby Davison to score at Hillsborough. I can also recall a number of fine saves he made - the penalty against Arsenal, a one-on-one with Beardsley for Everton for our first win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Uniform Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Had a couple of keepers who were very unlucky with us. Chris Stringer looked a top prospect and Matt Clarke never got a chance here, before making a name for himself and then sadly having his career cut short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinOwlMan Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 There's a degree of revisionism working against Woods. What's this 'long list of foook ups' in '92? What do you mean by "revisionism?" When Woods was playing for us I always felt we were vulnerable to high balls into his area due to his flapping. When Pressman came in and a high ball came into the box, which he confidently plucked out of the air, it felt like the whole Kop breathed a sigh of relief. I think you are implying that people have revised their view of him for some reason, but that's not the case as far as Im concerned, and from memory a lot of Owls fans thought we could get a better 'keeper. Some of his work was excellent by the way, but his frailties were so clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 What do you mean by "revisionism?" When Woods was playing for us I always felt we were vulnerable to high balls into his area due to his flapping. When Pressman came in and a high ball came into the box, which he confidently plucked out of the air, it felt like the whole Kop breathed a sigh of relief. I think you are implying that people have revised their view of him for some reason, but that's not the case as far as Im concerned, and from memory a lot of Owls fans thought we could get a better 'keeper. Some of his work was excellent by the way, but his frailties were so clear. I think Woods in 1991/2 was a massive step-up from the promotion season. If anything, we were less solid at the back than before - not a criticism of Warhurst, but he wasn't brought in solely on the strength of his defending - and obviously we were playing better teams. But some of his performances - especially away - were absolutely top-drawer. Maybe revisionism is the one word - I'm not sure that it is, just maybe - but there's some false memories (already seen earlier in the thread!) of his performances. There's this odd fascination with 'keepers coming out to claim things in this country. Foreign 'keepers were often derided as 'dodgy' for punching too much, which seemed odd as the ball trickled out for a throw 30 yards out. And with big Nige winning every single header going it wasn't the sort of 'keeper we needed. I agree that his form dipped very badly towards the end of his stay here and Pressman stepped admirably into his shoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) No revisionism from me - I was concerned at the time. While the children around me were singing England's number one, as they do, I was having doubts about the vast fee very early on. I'd agree that he was an excellent shot stopper - He was one of the first keepers that I can certainly remember who started parrying things as opposed to catching them... There were other short comings though. Amongst them he hated coming for crosses and was terrified of big centre forwards. This was blatant from his debut onwards. Deane down at the Stain made the colour drain from his cheeks every time he entered the box. What I didn't know in the time was how well know it was in the game. "....my first game as assistant back at my former Club was at Sheffield Wednesday. It was going to be a real humdinger as Ron had left there in the summer and it had all got a bit messy. I told him I wasn't going to sit next to him on the coach! They were a good side and we'd only managed to make a couple of signings ourselves. Luckily one of them was big Cyrille Regis and before the game Ron got into him to give Woodsy a rattle. He's a lovely fella, but it was well known in the game if your gave him a bash early doors he wouldn't come for anything after." Andy Gray " We had some tough games , both Manchester clubs, Wednesday and Spurs. Wednesday was the one we fancied we could get something from though. They'd an excellent side. Spent the sort of money I could only dream of. But I knew my lot would give them a game and a derby was a perfect match after the Man utd defeat. They liked to get it down and play it about and we knew we'd have to disrupt them. The lads were pumped up for and before kick off we told Deano to flatten Woods as soon as the first chance came. He was a big money signing, and a big lad, but it was common knowledge he wasn't bothered about the physical stuff and if you won that battle early on you'd get chances later on" Dave Bassett Still. He was a decent kicker of a ball. Edited October 14, 2014 by Lord Snooty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Like I said, we've an unhealthy obsession in this country with 'keepers having to come to claim anything. The real problem is when the defenders don't know if he's coming or not - c.f. early David James. If I knew Brian Deane was going to give my 'keeper a wallop - and, let's be honest, he obviously was - then I'd be telling big Nige to make sure it didn't happen. This almost supports my point though - that people only remember the negative things about Woods and not the positive. That's what I meant by 'revisionism', which I accept wasn't the right word to have used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Flashman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Goalkeeping is a bit too specialist for me. I couldn't tell you if his punching was good or bad. Maybe we are obsessed with keepers coming and flattening forward like Kev used to do. (and Erik Nixon did that time when he had to come on. Proper banged that lad out) Anyway... I think Woods was just a bit nesh. Which is not something you really want in a keeper whether he plays old fashioned or European style. Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sterland, Nilsson, Buxton. Let's face it, we've had a load of crap in every position for years. The teams under Yorath, Jewell, Irvine, etc were dire and have scarred our memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darbo Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'll never forget Martin Hodge's performance against Derby County after being knocked out on a frozen baseball ground pitch (think he took a dive head first over Mark Smiths back)...Best keeper never to play for England!!!! (due to that cnut Gary Bailey) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'll never forget Martin Hodge's performance against Derby County after being knocked out on a frozen baseball ground pitch (think he took a dive head first over Mark Smiths back)...Best keeper never to play for England!!!! (due to that cnut Gary Bailey) He took a dive due to Bobby Davison, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Flashman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 'kin Bobby Davison. Like a ghoul. Haunting us whichever team he played for. Weren't even very good! Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will i am Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Barry Watling/Bobby Ferguson[sunday Game v brizzie not sure 70,s!!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-T Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Springett, Grummit. Springett x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebby Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 For every Hirst, there is a Kim Olsen For every Sheridan, there is a Potter For every Pearson, there is a Cranson. I'm saying for every position, we have done 'better' with our keepers. Appearances good vs bad, I reckon keepers win. Kivo, find out please. Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnie Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Lee bullen Iain turner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieswfc Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I know that season review probably word-for-word. We won 4-1 at home against Palace and Mark Bright scored a lob at Selhurst Park which Woods could do nothing about. Villa at home he flapped a a bit at a cross - although possibly also stopped a near-post header going in with NO marking whatsoever - and then saved a one-on-one only or the rebound to be put in, and couldn't do anything about the third. The only MASSIVE howler I can recall from that season was unfortunately for Bobby Davison to score at Hillsborough. I can also recall a number of fine saves he made - the penalty against Arsenal, a one-on-one with Beardsley for Everton for our first win. Like I said, it's a while since I watched it but I'll dig it out and watch again. I never felt safe with woods. A lack of b0llox was his main problem. Decent shot stopper but that's only 50% of a keepers duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Flashman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I judge keepers by three things. Are they good communicators Do they have courage Do you feel no concern when the ball is near them. I'm afraid for me he didn't tick the right box for number three for me. Just a bloke. Being dragged along in a world that moves too quick for it's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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