walrus Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I think that in 1989/90 Atkinson started out the better of the two but towards the end of the season there wasn't that much in it, i can still remember the saturday i went to the paper shop to get the papers and turning to the back page reading about Dalian's departure and being both upset and angry, i was only young then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Can anyone ever say we replaced David Hirst........I mean David Hirst that was before his body gave up the ghost? I don't think we ever came close to replacing him. But little Paul Williams and then Mark Bright replaced Atkinson, even Nigel Jemson replaced Atkinson. Yes, Atkinson had a good shot of it in Spain, and came back to England with Villa and carried on making a name for himself, but he wasn't anything anywhere near as special as Hirsty. Edited July 27, 2012 by a_weishaupt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Monkey Posted July 27, 2012 Author Share Posted July 27, 2012 I totally forgot Atkinson came back to Villa, signed by BFR too. Some of the responses on here must be by folks with vague memories or of antagonistic tendencies. Atkinson had great potential. I think Vulva's comments are spot on. I don't think however, a Hirst-Atkinson partnership would have had the impact Hirst-Williams had in the 90-91 season. Just my opinion folks. Signed Charles Tool Monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Nemesis, I don't know how old you are but I remember Hirsty hitting volleys he had no right to attempt, and being on target. I remember him dragging balls back under pressure inside the box from three defenders and crossing pinpoint for someone else (I forget who!) to score. I do however remember it was against Ipswich. I remember him "patting" a keeper on the back as he collected the ball on the edge of the box to knock the goalie out of the area......with a smile on his face so he didn't get booked. Him and Waddle were my all time favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigDave Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 if hirsty was playing today ( age related ) he would be in the england team before the toupee wearing scouser in a manc shirt imo. Not so long ago I was saying the only Premiership player you could compare to David Hirst was Rooney, I'm now of the absolute firm belief that had the both played at the same time Hirst is the better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam779 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Not so long ago I was saying the only Premiership player you could compare to David Hirst was Rooney, I'm now of the absolute firm belief that had the both played at the same time Hirst is the better player Check your PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Not so long ago I was saying the only Premiership player you could compare to David Hirst was Rooney, I'm now of the absolute firm belief that had the both played at the same time Hirst is the better player Rooney is good,Hirst was better,he had everything and more besides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Rooney is good,Hirst was better,he had everything and more besides. Complete and utter balderdash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BoomTownOwls Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 What a flippingstupid question. Who was better - Ian Hendon or Roland Nilsson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Complete and utter balderdash. No, it is not. I am not looking back through rose tinted specs either, Hirst was let down by many factors including his want for alcohol and fags, but he was the better all round footballer - strong in the air, a fearsome shot both at full pelt and standing still, had a skill with the ball at his feet that rivalled waddle at times. Hirst could suprisingly whip in a brilliant cross, time after time from the wing - and indeed put some brilliant performances in on the wing including against Man Utd (he murdered the little fullback Man U had at the time, I forget his name) Rooney in comparison can be very one dimensional. . Edited July 27, 2012 by a_weishaupt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No, it is not. I am not looking back through rose tinted specs either, Hirst was let down by many factors including his want for alcohol and fags, but he was the better all round footballer - strong in the air, a fearsome shot both at full pelt and standing still, had a skill with the ball at his feet that rivalled waddle at times. Hirst could suprisingly whip in a brilliant cross, time after time from the wing - and indeed put some brilliant performances in on the wing including against Man Utd (he murdered the little fullback Man U had at the time, I forget his name) Rooney in comparison can be very one dimensional. . Totally agree, Rooney is extremely over rated and is fortunate that there is not much competition with English strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No, it is not. I am not looking back through rose tinted specs either, Hirst was let down by many factors including his want for alcohol and fags, but he was the better all round footballer - strong in the air, a fearsome shot both at full pelt and standing still, had a skill with the ball at his feet that rivalled waddle at times. Hirst could suprisingly whip in a brilliant cross, time after time from the wing - and indeed put some brilliant performances in on the wing including against Man Utd (he murdered the little fullback Man U had at the time, I forget his name) Rooney in comparison can be very one dimensional. Hirst was powerful, was a genius at times with the ball at his feet - on occasion as good as waddle with the ball at his feet in the box, had a suprisingly brilliant cross on him, was awesome in the air, had a fearsome shot both running with the ball and standing still - he was let down by his fitness, by those around him and by his reckless a Other than probably ending up winning 100 more caps, scoring 100 more goals at the top level in England and Europe by the time he finishes and costing £29.75m more than Hirst, you're right, nothing in it. Hirst was a great player for us, and as a local lad deserved his cult status. But to compare him to one of the best young players this country has produced for a long time, is blueandwhitespecs ballacks of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swinners Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Who was better? We all know Hirsty was a Wednesday legend. However, who was the better player during the 89-90 season? Atkinson had fantastic pace and ball control but the finishing let him down. Nevertheless, he was top goalscorer that season. I personally thought Atkinson was better but his departure at the end of this relegation season appeared to be the making of Hirsty. I'm intrigued to know what other older owls talkers think. Behave!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Other than probably ending up winning 100 more caps, scoring 100 more goals at the top level in England and Europe by the time he finishes and costing £29.75m more than Hirst, you're right, nothing in it. Hirst was a great player for us, and as a local lad deserved his cult status. But to compare him to one of the best young players this country has produced for a long time, is blueandwhitespecs ballacks of the highest order. What does the money aspect count? Trever Francis cost nearly 1mill in his prime, Francis Jeffers cost us almost the same amount, not in his prime. Hirst was apparently 5Mil plus Kanchelskis in value at the time, so that would be several Andy Carrolls now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulva Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 What does the money aspect count? Trever Francis cost nearly 1mill in his prime, Francis Jeffers cost us almost the same amount, not in his prime. Hirst was apparently 5Mil plus Kanchelskis in value at the time, so that would be several Andy Carrolls now, right? No he wasn't. Man Utd bid £3m, which was very good money. And basing any players value on the Andy Carollometer is unrealistic, seen as Liverpool paid around £20m over the odds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigDave Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No he wasn't. Man Utd bid £3m, which was very good money. And basing any players value on the Andy Carollometer is unrealistic, seen as Liverpool paid around £20m over the odds. Wasn't it 4.75m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No he wasn't. Man Utd bid £3m, which was very good money. And basing any players value on the Andy Carollometer is unrealistic, seen as Liverpool paid around £20m over the odds. It was definitely 5 Million plus Kanchelskis. Kanchelskis being valued quite highly at the time too. Three million was the amount Francis bid for a very young Beckham and was being seriously considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigDave Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Debate over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockieOwl Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Since we got relegated that year, neither could have been that good... could they? My first game was Wednesday v Villa in 92. I've just looked it up and could have sworn that Hirst scored our goal until now and it was Bright, but Atkinson got both Villa goals. I can't remember much of it though, but what was Atkinson's reception like? Edited July 27, 2012 by RockieOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BoomTownOwls Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Other than probably ending up winning 100 more caps, scoring 100 more goals at the top level in England and Europe by the time he finishes and costing £29.75m more than Hirst, you're right, nothing in it. Hirst was a great player for us, and as a local lad deserved his cult status. But to compare him to one of the best young players this country has produced for a long time, is blueandwhitespecs ballacks of the highest order. Rooney has definitely achieved more than Hirst. Hirst was at his peak for 2 years then he got injured. In my opinions, in those 2 years he was as good as anything English I have seen. Lineker, Shearer, Rooney all did it for numerous years. Hirst lacked professionalism and therefore didn't recover from injury as he should. I do wonder where his career would have gone if Fergie had got hold of him at his peak...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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